{"id":1143,"date":"2008-02-09T18:36:16","date_gmt":"2008-02-09T18:36:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/itforum-alternatives-to-the-walled-garden-listserv\/"},"modified":"2026-11-11T22:04:36","modified_gmt":"2026-11-12T03:04:36","slug":"itforum-alternatives-to-the-walled-garden-listserv","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/itforum-alternatives-to-the-walled-garden-listserv\/","title":{"rendered":"ITForum: Alternatives to the Walled Garden listserv?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>George Siemens facilitated a nice review of his paper &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/it.coe.uga.edu\/itforum\/Paper105\/Siemens.pdf\" linkindex=\"15\">Teaching and Learning in Knowledge Networks<\/a> &#8211; in the <a href=\"http:\/\/it.coe.uga.edu\/itforum\/\" linkindex=\"15\">ITForum<\/a><br \/>\nthis week. The &quot;conversation&quot; was good and nicely moderated.<br \/>\nUnfortunately, I can&#8217;t link to any of the conversations as they are<br \/>\nheld on an e-mail listserv and the conversation history can&#8217;t be viewed<br \/>\nby those not going through the (free) registration process on the<br \/>\nlistserv. Also, it is quite a pain to follow a forked e-mail discussion<br \/>\n(various replies to replies). As a newbie to the ITForum, I suppose I<br \/>\nshouldn&#8217;t criticize as I start, but it sure seems the days of using a<br \/>\nlistserv to facilitate global discussions are past. The ITForum<br \/>\nlistserv has over 2,200 subscribers and there were some great thoughts<br \/>\nand links that I would love to collect and share here, but it isn&#8217;t<br \/>\npossible to &quot;link&quot; to an e-mail. Further, the discussion policies state<br \/>\nthat:<br \/>\n      <br \/>\n  &quot;All discussion statements are<br \/>\nconsidered the property of the member and may not be posted on the web<br \/>\nelsewhere without their permission.&quot; <\/p>\n<p>Here are a few links I pulled out, but they are so removed from the context of the discussion &#8230; (sigh)<\/p>\n<p>Social Network Theory &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.istheory.yorku.ca\/socialnetworktheory.htm\" linkindex=\"16\">http:\/\/www.istheory.yorku.ca\/socialnetworktheory.htm<\/a><br \/>\n      <br \/>Federated Social Networks (FSN) &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mediamatic.net\/set-26902-en.html\" linkindex=\"17\">http:\/\/www.mediamatic.net\/set-26902-en.html<\/a><br \/>\n      <br \/>Social Graph: Concepts and Issues &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.readwriteweb.com\/archives\/social_graph_concepts_and_issues.php\" linkindex=\"18\" set=\"yes\">http:\/\/www.readwriteweb.com\/archives\/social_graph_concepts_and_issues.php<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Technorati Tags: <a class=\"performancingtags\" href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tag\/ITForum\" rel=\"tag\" linkindex=\"19\">ITForum<\/a><br \/>\n      <\/p>\n<div class=\"clear-block clear\">\n<div class=\"meta\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"links\">\n<ul class=\"links inline\">\n<li class=\"first blog_usernames_blog\"><a class=\"blog_usernames_blog\" title=\"Read Jennifer Maddrell's latest blog entries.\" href=\"http:\/\/designedtoinspire.com\/drupal\/\/drupal\/blog\/1\" linkindex=\"20\">Jennifer Maddrell&#8217;s blog<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"last statistics_counter\"><span class=\"statistics_counter\">462 reads<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"comments\">Comments<\/h2>\n<div class=\"comment odd\">\n<div class=\"clear-block\"><span class=\"submitted\">Tue, 03\/25\/2008 &#8211; 7:11am \u2014 nickie (not verified)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"comment even\">\n<div class=\"clear-block\"><span class=\"submitted\"><br \/>\n        <br \/>Comments &#8230;.<br \/>\n        <br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<h3><a class=\"active\" href=\"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/knowledge-generation-informal-vs-formal-networks\/\" linkindex=\"24\" set=\"yes\">Here is the full policy of ITFORUM<\/a><\/h3>\n<div class=\"content\">\n      This is ITFORUM&#8217;s policy, written by the list moderator for the past couple of years Bev Ferrell (&quot;Phoenixziaco&quot;):<\/p>\n<p>Quote from September 7, 2007 post:<\/p>\n<p>1. No content from ITForum may be Rssd or posted elsewhere unless the<br \/>\ncontent permission is obtained from the original poster on ITForum.<\/p>\n<p>2. NO EMAIL addresses of ITForum members are included in the posting.<\/p>\n<p>3. Copies of content that is posted elsewhere must have the permission from<br \/>\nthe original poster emailed\/ccd  to the moderator of ITForum before posting<br \/>\nthe content.<\/p>\n<p>4. ITForum may be mentioned by name, but no email addresses or ITForum URLs<br \/>\nare to be included to avoid spam robots. <\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>This policy is not even legal.  Multiple people objected, and her only revisions were to make the policy even more strict.<\/p>\n<p>I recommend K-12 educators use H-EDTECH instead of ITFORUM.  Completely open<br \/>\narchives have been here for over 15 years with no problems:<br \/>\n<a title=\"http:\/\/www.h-net.org\/~edweb\/\" href=\"http:\/\/www.h-net.org\/%7Eedweb\/\" linkindex=\"25\">http:\/\/www.h-net.org\/~edweb\/<\/a><a title=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/bit.listserv.edtech\/topics?hl=en&amp;amp;lnk=sg\" href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/bit.listserv.edtech\/topics?hl=en&amp;amp;lnk=sg\" linkindex=\"26\" set=\"yes\">http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/bit.listserv.edtech\/topics?hl=en&amp;amp;lnk=sg<\/a><br \/>\nThere&#8217;s also a teaching and learn online (talo) group here:<br \/>\n<a title=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/teachAndLearnOnline\/topics?hl=en\" href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/teachAndLearnOnline\/topics?hl=en\" linkindex=\"27\" set=\"yes\">http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/teachAndLearnOnline\/topics?hl=en<\/a><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"links\">\n<ul class=\"links\">\n<li class=\"first last comment_reply\"><a class=\"comment_reply\" href=\"http:\/\/designedtoinspire.com\/drupal\/\/drupal\/comment\/reply\/581\/1752\" linkindex=\"28\" set=\"yes\">reply<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"comment odd\">\n<div class=\"clear-block\"><span class=\"submitted\">Sat, 02\/09\/2008 &#8211; 11:47am \u2014 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.elearnspace.org\/\" linkindex=\"29\">George Siemens<\/a> (not verified)<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><a class=\"active\" href=\"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/knowledge-generation-informal-vs-formal-networks\/\" linkindex=\"30\" set=\"yes\">Openness&#8230;<\/a><\/h3>\n<div class=\"content\">\nHi Jennifer &#8211; I agree with you &#8211; information\/discussions of this nature<br \/>\nbenefit from being open. It&#8217;s valuable (in extending the conversation)<br \/>\nto allow direct linking to the forum or individual posts.<br \/>\nFor what it&#8217;s worth, if you would like to comment\/critique any of my<br \/>\nsubmissions to the forum, feel free to post them at length in your blog<br \/>\nor other correspondence.<br \/>\nTake care<br \/>\nGeorge <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"links\">\n<ul class=\"links\">\n<li class=\"first last comment_reply\"><a class=\"comment_reply\" href=\"http:\/\/designedtoinspire.com\/drupal\/\/drupal\/comment\/reply\/581\/1750\" linkindex=\"31\" set=\"yes\">reply<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"indented\">\n<div class=\"comment even\">\n<div class=\"clear-block\"><span class=\"submitted\">Sat, 02\/09\/2008 &#8211; 5:38pm \u2014 Jennifer Maddrell<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><a class=\"active\" href=\"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/knowledge-generation-informal-vs-formal-networks\/\" linkindex=\"32\">Thanks, George!<\/a><\/h3>\n<div class=\"content\">\n<p>Great topic this week &#8230; even if 99.99% of the universe won&#8217;t see it \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\nJennifer Maddrell<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"links\">\n<ul class=\"links\">\n<li class=\"first last comment_reply\"><a class=\"comment_reply\" href=\"http:\/\/designedtoinspire.com\/drupal\/\/drupal\/comment\/reply\/581\/1751\" linkindex=\"33\">reply<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><a class=\"performancingtags\" href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tag\/ITForum\" rel=\"tag\" linkindex=\"19\"><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>George Siemens facilitated a nice review of his paper &#8211; Teaching and Learning in Knowledge Networks &#8211; in the ITForum this week. The &quot;conversation&quot; was good and nicely moderated. Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t link to any of the conversations as they are held on an e-mail listserv and the conversation history can&#8217;t be viewed by those&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_kad_post_transparent":"","_kad_post_title":"","_kad_post_layout":"","_kad_post_sidebar_id":"","_kad_post_content_style":"","_kad_post_vertical_padding":"","_kad_post_feature":"","_kad_post_feature_position":"","_kad_post_header":false,"_kad_post_footer":false,"_kad_post_classname":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[194,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1143","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-design","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1143","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1143"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1143\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2996,"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1143\/revisions\/2996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1143"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1143"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.designedtoinspire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1143"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}